[03/01/2015 13:56:50] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Aleksander Katulus Vidmar has shared contact details with Johan Nygren.
[03/01/2015 13:57:14] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Thanx m8
[03/01/2015 13:57:22] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: pleasure to connect.
[03/01/2015 13:58:15] Johan Nygren: sure :) have you looked at my concept-ideas ?
[03/01/2015 13:58:24] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: a bit i did.
[03/01/2015 13:58:59] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: I concur that voluntarily giving % of every transaction is a good way to go
[03/01/2015 13:59:57] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: I could go up to 20% if I may add - although then I'd love to be sure that it would go to most needed causes
[03/01/2015 14:00:47] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Just a curious q: Have you tried (or did try to) contact Dr. Parijs, the main proponent of UBI in EU atm?
[03/01/2015 14:00:58] Johan Nygren: it´s not really about voluntarily giving though, the articles thus far have sort of missed a lot of my concepts
[03/01/2015 14:02:02] Johan Nygren: nah… or, i used to be one of the main proponents myself, a lot of my work was quoted and used by the basicincome2013.eu movement. i know that guy´s a bit of a rockstar, but my own basicincome-narrative is quite different from his
[03/01/2015 14:02:19] Johan Nygren: i´m my own, so to speak
[03/01/2015 14:02:47] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: It's all good. no worries:)
[03/01/2015 14:03:21] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: We all want to make world a better place to live
[03/01/2015 14:03:35] Johan Nygren: but "basic income" isn't a complex idea, it´s just anthropology, like I write here http://www.resilience.me/story.html, i look at it as a way of shaping the space in which ideas have sex
[03/01/2015 14:04:11] Johan Nygren: by regulating the amount of basic income, you can essentially engineer how hierarchical you want a society to be
[03/01/2015 14:04:42] Johan Nygren: and, since we don´t need a hierarchy anymore, we don´t really need a working class, it´s about time to re-design the idea space
[03/01/2015 14:05:38] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Exactly.
[03/01/2015 14:08:59] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: I love how you explain things with the help of anthropology - i try doing same with startups
[03/01/2015 14:09:28] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: We DO live in an abundant era, especially there are lots of info's, data etc.
[03/01/2015 14:10:20] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Bitcoin / blockchain environment might get way more abundant, if we take into account the projected growth of smart devices, connected onto the internet
[03/01/2015 14:11:21] Johan Nygren: so, my technology is not really about voluntarily gifting, but more about targeted investments where a basic income funded 'idea-space' is the product people invest in
[03/01/2015 14:11:53] Johan Nygren: and 'the incentive layer', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sosu1YsR_Wo, is the feed back loop mechanism my technology uses
[03/01/2015 14:12:05] Johan Nygren: so that the "gifting" becomes targeted investments
[03/01/2015 14:12:28] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: micro-investments?
[03/01/2015 14:12:31] Johan Nygren: this is reeeeally important for me to get across to like you, and the rest of bitnation, and to the world of social media
[03/01/2015 14:14:08] Johan Nygren: shares !
[03/01/2015 14:14:12] Johan Nygren: more like shares
[03/01/2015 14:15:05] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: So the more I put into the network, the better it gets for me as well?
[03/01/2015 14:15:51] Johan Nygren: well, the more "swedish-like" a network is, in terms of welfare, the better it gets for everyone :)
[03/01/2015 14:16:45] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Thats great I mean
[03/01/2015 13:57:14] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Thanx m8
[03/01/2015 13:57:22] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: pleasure to connect.
[03/01/2015 13:58:15] Johan Nygren: sure :) have you looked at my concept-ideas ?
[03/01/2015 13:58:24] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: a bit i did.
[03/01/2015 13:58:59] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: I concur that voluntarily giving % of every transaction is a good way to go
[03/01/2015 13:59:57] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: I could go up to 20% if I may add - although then I'd love to be sure that it would go to most needed causes
[03/01/2015 14:00:47] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Just a curious q: Have you tried (or did try to) contact Dr. Parijs, the main proponent of UBI in EU atm?
[03/01/2015 14:00:58] Johan Nygren: it´s not really about voluntarily giving though, the articles thus far have sort of missed a lot of my concepts
[03/01/2015 14:02:02] Johan Nygren: nah… or, i used to be one of the main proponents myself, a lot of my work was quoted and used by the basicincome2013.eu movement. i know that guy´s a bit of a rockstar, but my own basicincome-narrative is quite different from his
[03/01/2015 14:02:19] Johan Nygren: i´m my own, so to speak
[03/01/2015 14:02:47] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: It's all good. no worries:)
[03/01/2015 14:03:21] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: We all want to make world a better place to live
[03/01/2015 14:03:35] Johan Nygren: but "basic income" isn't a complex idea, it´s just anthropology, like I write here http://www.resilience.me/story.html, i look at it as a way of shaping the space in which ideas have sex
[03/01/2015 14:04:11] Johan Nygren: by regulating the amount of basic income, you can essentially engineer how hierarchical you want a society to be
[03/01/2015 14:04:42] Johan Nygren: and, since we don´t need a hierarchy anymore, we don´t really need a working class, it´s about time to re-design the idea space
[03/01/2015 14:05:38] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Exactly.
[03/01/2015 14:08:59] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: I love how you explain things with the help of anthropology - i try doing same with startups
[03/01/2015 14:09:28] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: We DO live in an abundant era, especially there are lots of info's, data etc.
[03/01/2015 14:10:20] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Bitcoin / blockchain environment might get way more abundant, if we take into account the projected growth of smart devices, connected onto the internet
[03/01/2015 14:11:21] Johan Nygren: so, my technology is not really about voluntarily gifting, but more about targeted investments where a basic income funded 'idea-space' is the product people invest in
[03/01/2015 14:11:53] Johan Nygren: and 'the incentive layer', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sosu1YsR_Wo, is the feed back loop mechanism my technology uses
[03/01/2015 14:12:05] Johan Nygren: so that the "gifting" becomes targeted investments
[03/01/2015 14:12:28] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: micro-investments?
[03/01/2015 14:12:31] Johan Nygren: this is reeeeally important for me to get across to like you, and the rest of bitnation, and to the world of social media
[03/01/2015 14:14:08] Johan Nygren: shares !
[03/01/2015 14:14:12] Johan Nygren: more like shares
[03/01/2015 14:15:05] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: So the more I put into the network, the better it gets for me as well?
[03/01/2015 14:15:51] Johan Nygren: well, the more "swedish-like" a network is, in terms of welfare, the better it gets for everyone :)
[03/01/2015 14:16:45] Aleksander Katulus Vidmar: Thats great I mean
